“All discussion with the regime should be based on the issue of
fundamental rights and freedoms” / Antonio Rodiles
Posted on May 25, 2014
Pablo Diaz Espi: How do you read the current moment inside the country?
Antonio Rodiles: I daresay we are experiencing today the transfer of
power from the “old guard” to their heirs, who are desperately seeking
legitimacy and agreements. Facing a Cuba without their progenitors won’t
be an easy task and they can’t wait for this time to begin establishing
themselves inside and outside the Island.
Cuba citizens every day have to deal with a power that demands more
obligations and which, in exchange, grants very few rights. Living
conditions are degrading with special emphasis on the vulnerable
sectors, such as old people. The so-called new entrepreneurs are
swimming in a sea of corruption and the informal economy and the
stampede to leave the country continues to be the objective of thousands
and thousands of Cubans, especially the young.
The opposition scenario is clearly being realigned. The escape of
talents and entrepreneurs has generated a sensitive vacuum in the group
of social actors who should be pushing and supporting change. The
impunity with which the State practices violence leaves little room for
political groups to move, but the growing discontent generates
increasing hotspots that are controlled with declining effectiveness.
PDE: A media intensive initiative asking President Obama to lift the
embargo has just been released. What do you think about it?
AR: We should be very clear about what we want for our nation. We need,
first and foremost, the reestablishment of basic rights and freedoms.
The international pressure, which includes the American embargo, is very
necessary to at least contain the impunity enjoyed by the totalitarian
If Cuban citizens continue to be totally defenseless, the cost in
political changes will be very high. Certain attitudes that border on
masochism and that ask for complacency have been very visible lately and
have devastated the country. Prominent figures of civil society have
become too evasive and unclear about their political positions, which
undoubtedly benefits the regime.
While it would be immature and a little cowardly to close all the doors,
it would also be fatal to accept a complicit relativism without a base
of principles or axioms that guide our actions.
For decades on our Island we’ve been ruled by lies and simulation, and
it’s time for honesty and verticality to claim space in a nation that
has been beaten down with regards to those principles.
I think that asking for changes toward the regime without demanding
respect for our rights, is an act of contempt towards those of us
directly confronting the Cuban dictatorship. Human decency implies
verticality toward those who have been the executioners of our nation.
Those who brandish the false discourse of tolerance and reconciliation
and who hide their opportunism behind a call for plurality of opinions,
don’t deserve my respect.
PDE: The regime’s attempts at rapprochement with the United States are
increasing to the extent that the political and social crisis in Cuba is
worsening. At times, the focus on bilateral relations gains prominence
to the detriment of the internal situation in Cuba.
AR: The survival of the regime has always depended on its capacity to be
a parasite. Cuba is a totally ruined country, without the least
possibility of supporting itself, and Cubans outside the Island possess
a power they are not using while allowing the regime to continue to
benefit from emotional blackmail. Without the remittances from Miami on
the island, we would be facing an even more extreme situation.
Today Cubans live on the remittances sent by their families, but these
resources are not sufficient to support the bloated repressive
apparatus. The capital required for this comes not from the European
Union, nor China, nor Russia, that capital could only come from the
Paradoxically, the “empire” is the key to the survival of neocastrismo
and everything is focused on it. No wonder the battleground on the issue
of Cuba has moved to Cuba-US relations, with the regime being the one
showing the most interest in this movement. For the pro-democracy actors
we have no alternative but to sustain that duel.
However, it is our responsibility to bring to the fore the inescapable
issue of basic rights and freedoms. Any discussion should raise these
rights as a condition for any interaction with the regime. The basic
freedoms of Cubans should not be a negotiation point but a fundamental
PDE: I understand that the campaign For Another Cuba is entering a new
phase. What is that about? (Additional link)
AR: After a year and a half without any response to the petition
delivered to the National Assembly of People’s Power, we are calling on
every Cuban citizen within and outside Cuba to submit their own
complaint demanding the ratification of the United Nations covenants
(signed by the Cuban government in 2008), which requires a response by
the State within a period of 60 days. It’s not the same to ignore
responding to a citizen’s request, that thousands of citizens make this
Moreover, we are anticipating a possible ratification maneuver without
the required implementation. I believe the possibility of pushing the
regime to ratify is high, we shouldn’t sit and wait for them to develop
an evasion strategy, but rather as of right now we must prepare a
response to this reality.
PDE: What has the campaign For Another Cuba accomplished so far?
AR: The campaign has had an unquestionable success in bringing to the
forefront the ratification of the Covenants, which is essentially the
issue of fundamental freedoms. The most notable example is the
exhortation during the last Community of Latin American and Caribbean
States (CELAC) summit made by Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, for the
regime to ratify them.
At the same time, a group of activists, professionals and artists has
come together around the campaign, seeing this demand as a concrete and
effective way of working for the democratization of the country. With
the collaboration of dozens of activists, we have distributed among the
population a ton of printed and audiovisual material. We can say that
today, thanks to the campaign, a large group of Cubans know about their
However, realistically, we know that the work is just beginning. The
implementation of our fundamental rights entails a process of democratic
transition and no one has to tell you how complicated this issue is
after 55 years of dictatorship.
PDE: Some critics, or rather skeptics argue that the regime could ratify
the Covenants and then not implement them.
AR: I believe that’s one of the most probably scenarios. The regime will
see itself forced to ratify them at some not too distant time and will
probably try to do so through reservations and still evade their
implementation. However, the sole fact of seeing them forced to accept
an opposition demand is a victory for us.
How to respond to a possible ratification if they try to use it as
maneuver? Well we must have a package ready for necessary
transformations in the legal framework and other orders to prevent the
violation of the commitments assumed. We are working on identifying all
possible violations of fundamental rights in current laws as well as the
regulations and provisions arising from the totalitarian structure of
the regime in which they violate the letter of these international
It’s important to clarify they these proposals would be specifically
aimed at issues directly connected with the Covenants and not those that
presume a possible democratic scenario. I think we shouldn’t lose
ourselves in a range of future possibilities when we still don’t know
what directions current conditions will take.
PDE: In the campaign, in the new phase you’re talking about, will there
be specialized committees working on it? I know there is something about
legal security and tax policy. Why start there? What is the current
situation and what is the draft proposal about how they will work?
AR: The legal framework of a country establishes the rules that prevail
in the dynamic society. Without a legal framework that guarantees
fundamental freedoms the result of any process would be too hazardous,
no one can guarantee the final destination in a society that works
through political patronage, State violence, corruption and a lack of
basic principles. We’ll have to find a way to restore basic concepts
that govern modern societies.
Moreover, the creation of a legal basis for the emergence of a class of
micro, small and medium entrepreneurs is essential. An efficient tax
system is also a key to creating the foundations of a healthy state.
Our work has begun on the basic transformations that will have to be
made in the Cuban Constitution so that Cubans will recover the minimum
rights of citizens. The tax issue is now one of the damaging to Cubans.
PDE: Are there other areas you consider priorities?
AR: There are several areas that have to be reformed in the face of the
possible ratification of these international covenants, and one of them
is education. Ideology must be separated from education and parents must
be able to choose the type of school they want their children to attend;
there are old dreams and a demand that must be pressed with the greatest
The education system faces a terrible crisis, not only material but also
one of corruption and a lack of a clear educational policy. Not to
mention the disaster caused by the absence of the Internet and the free
flow of information.
PDE: The interaction between the internal opposition and the
organizations of exile have increased lately. Do you see as positive the
new balance of work. What more could or should be done?
AR: I believe this interaction is vital. I can’t say that it’s always
been for the benefit of the pro-democracy struggle. Some political
actors in exile have tried to impose or stimulate visions barely
anchored in the island, visions that presume a non-existent scenario,
and far from helping a process of change they generate counterproductive
The motives and interests are many, but it’s clear that several factors
must undergo basic changes for the new impulses to prevail. Successes
and failures are part of the maturation process that has to happen, the
times demand substantial changes.
The joint work along all Cubans who feel a commitment to democratic
change must be a sustained collaboration among actors inside and outside
of Cuba, especially in the professional, or knowledge, arena. We have
mentioned that you can’t think about the transition and the later
reconstruction of the nation without a wide participation of the entire
human capital today living outside the country.
It would be a leap into the void to ignore so much talent that has
abandoned our little island. I dream of having my friends at my side
working to create this country that has been missing for so many decades.
Pablo Díaz Espí | Madrid | 22 Mayo 2014
25 May 2014
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